Your comments, please  (and a giveaway)

by Eric Drexler on December 12, 2008

I’m opening this post for comments on the blog, both general suggestions and specific topics that you’d like to see discussed. I will be inviting participation on an ongoing basis.

I should mention at the outset that I plan a series of posts on promising directions in nanosystem development, approaches exploiting biomolecule-based composite nanosystems as tools for fabricating robust, rigid, atomically-precise inorganic nanostructures for use in next-generation systems. This series will include a critique of diamondism, and will suggest accessible objectives for current experimental research.


In connection with this first open comment thread, my in-house marketing advisor and blogosphere trends monitor suggests that I offer a prize: a signed, hard-cover, first-edition copy of Engines of Creation. The winner will be drawn at random from among the commenters. There are some rules, of course:

Comments eligible for this drawing shall be those submitted no later than 00:00 UTC, Tuesday, 16 December, 2008. The winner will be notified in an update to this post.
Many more corporation-style rules could be applied to cover every case.

That should cover it. I look forward to reading your comments and suggestions for this blog.

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EGoldstein 12.12.08 at 2:46 am UTC

I would like to see more posts on computation and history of science issues.

Andy McKenzie 12.12.08 at 3:42 am UTC

My suggestion would be to look at the potential application of nanotechnology to neuroscience. There was an article in the Journal of Neuroscience in 2007 called “Interfacing neurons with carbon nanotubes: electrical signal transfer and synaptic stimulation in cultured brain circuits”, they talked about how SWNTs could still conduct electricity in the brain and how they might do it better than some of our other potential conductors. I am very interested in your thoughts on the issue–if not that specific paper, then the subject in general. Thanks!

Brian Ballsun-Stanton 12.12.08 at 4:00 am UTC

First, I’d like to say that I’m eagerly anticipating this blog. What I’d like to see is an exploration of the *cultural* impacts of the nanotechnology you’re talking about. While your focus is on talking about next-gen and next-n-gen systems, I think discussing the cultural and social implications of the tech are just as important. I’d also enjoy looking at your discussions of nano-tech in fiction. (Stephenson’s Diamond Age, obviously, but also Goonan’s nanotech as well as the effects of “instead-of-magic nanotech” on the societal acceptance/understanding thereof.

Ruth Seeley 12.12.08 at 4:37 am UTC

Since it’s going to be a random draw, I’ll feel free to make my not-very-well-informed request.

I’d like to know what you think will be the greatest barriers to acceptance of nanotechnology among the non-scientific community, and the greatest challenges to overcoming resistance.

Brian Wang 12.12.08 at 7:03 am UTC

Is the Nanotech roadmap going to get updated on a regular basis ? Are you still involved with it ? Some comments on developments that are significant to the Roadmap and placing it into the context of the Roadmap would be interesting.

It seems there should be a laser like focus to develop powerful bootstrapping capability which can rapidly get us to the next bootstrap or past a threshold level of capability. All the previous possible artifacts like billion processor [core] CPUs seem likely to be achieved without full blown nanotech. Only radical life extension and new levels of medicine seem worth a detour or diversion of resources from the bootstrapping goals if they could be achieved.

btw: you did see that kilocarat diamonds can be created through a chemical vapor deposition and annealing.

Tamas Martinec 12.12.08 at 7:05 am UTC

I would like to read about which of the is closest to you. Perhaps your thoughts about each.

Esteban 12.12.08 at 10:42 am UTC

From Spain:
I would like to know your current perspectives on first nanocomputer: 2010,2011,2012,…..?
I think that It`s very important for the next revolution.
Thank you Dr. Drexler.

Andrew Maynard 12.12.08 at 12:04 pm UTC

Eric,

First, congratulations on the public launch of the blog – looks like it’s shaping up to be a great mix of the inspiring, stimulating and provocative!

There are so many things that are ripe for discussion here, but these are three areas I would particularly like to see explored:

Emerging technologies that bring about step-change transformations (so many near-term nanoscale-driven technologies seem evolutionary)

Exploiting seemingly small changes in ideas/paradigms/technology to bring about major advances in technological ability (Often it appears, the technological advance can seem almost trivial, but it is innovative/creative ways of using it that change the technological landscape)

Barriers and solutions to enabling synergistic convergence between new areas of thought/science/technology.

Cheers,

Andrew

John Salowitz 12.12.08 at 12:38 pm UTC

I’d like to see information regarding the next paradigm which is likely to enable Moore’s law to continue past the shrinking of transistors on a silicon integrated circuit.

Also I’d like a verbose explanation as to the likely properties of self replicating nanomachines specifically addressing the naive view most people have of them.

Thom Blake 12.12.08 at 2:22 pm UTC

Opening up comments was a good idea. It was strange reading this blog and finding no room for comments. I’d suggest keeping it open for the indefinite future.

Any chance of a ‘preview’ button on comments? As this appears to be WordPress, it shouldn’t be too difficult. And don’t forget spam filtering.

Love the theme by the way – I’ve never seen a layout quite like this before.

Scott 12.12.08 at 3:04 pm UTC

Re: “Computation and Mathematical Proof” of a while back

Do you have any take on using computers (AI or otherwise) to formalize mathematical proofs automatically, rather than we humans painstakingly developing them ourselves? Specifically, does the unwieldy verbosity and complexity of these proofs make them any worse than our own (hopefully!) more terse proofs?

John 12.12.08 at 3:18 pm UTC

I’d be interested in reading about how quantum computing and nanotech science will affect robotics and artificial intelligence.

Easycure 12.12.08 at 3:22 pm UTC

I just want a free book. Hey, at least I’m honest.

Good luck with the new blog.

Anthony 12.12.08 at 3:28 pm UTC

Right now, I think the biggest limiting factor on portable electronics is not computering power or interfacing – it’s power supply. I’d like to see how advances in fields you are familiar with are pushing power generation/storage ahead. Not all the time, but as a monthly topic or some such.

jim moore 12.12.08 at 4:11 pm UTC

I would like to see your thoughts on graphene based nano-systems. Besides having great electrical and mechanical properties, they also have adjustable EM absorption/emission. What do you think is the potential for productive nano-systems based on processing sheets of graphene?

Brian 12.12.08 at 4:18 pm UTC

I’d like to see some corner of the blog concerning
nanotech reliability/safety. Are issues overblown? Are there effective methods for development/testing of new products. Your suggested reading of “The Black Swan” and/or The Fourth Quadrant implies to me you’ve had a few thoughts in these areas….

Toby Ziegler 12.12.08 at 5:04 pm UTC

Hear, hear! Thank you for your efforts with the new blog. I agree the opening of comments seems like a great move.

As for content suggestions, I would love to read your thoughts on the near term effects of molecular manufacturing on the economy. With the United States economy seemingly foremost on the minds of all, I am surprised more articles have not surfaced. Long term aspects are interesting to be sure, but personally, I am intensely interested in transitional issues, around the time large scale molecular manufacturing becomes widely or commercially available.

I realize this is not necessarily your area of expertise, but I, for one, value your thoughts tremendously, caveat notwithstanding.

One more thing, the idea of winning a signed, hard-cover, first-edition copy of Engines of Creation is absolutely OUTSTANDING! Thank you!

Stirling Westrup 12.12.08 at 5:08 pm UTC

I’m not familiar with your current work, only the big splash you first made when announcing the possibilities inherent in nanotechnology. A lot of time has passed since then, so I wonder, how has your thinking changed?

Has it just been a gradual evolution and elaboration of the basic ideas, or have you found areas where you believe you were wrong? On the other hand, has there been progress in areas that you didn’t imagine back then?

jdkchem 12.12.08 at 5:33 pm UTC

It is nice to finally see nano-tech blog. Being a chemist I am partial to topics viewed from that perspective (ceramics, CNT’s, etc). On the other hand being a bit of a “nerd” I like topics about computing and gadgets as well.

So when can I by an in ear cell phone? Even better a micro-sized mp3 player that I can stick behind my ear and will switch from Rory Gallagher to Wes Montgomery or Megadeth depending on my mood. And, adjust the volume according to my desire to interact with whomever is talking at me!

ohel 12.12.08 at 6:31 pm UTC

I’d like to see more on computation and programming in the realm of nanotechnology. Specifically on the topic of how to program the coordination of large quantities of nano assemblers.

Mikkel Kjær Jensen 12.12.08 at 6:33 pm UTC

I would like to see more discussion about the political aspects of Nanotechnolgy – what is done to promote it amongst politicians? What are the obstacles? Do they know of Molecular Manufacturing? Do they take it seriously? Are there any difference from region to region (globally, not only in the US), and what can be done to further advance awareness of advanced nanotechnology and Molecular Manufacturing?

As for the people asking about the future of computing – you might want to look at reversible computing since this eventually (around 2030 if not sooner) might be the only way to minimise the heat generation of computation.

Jones Hamilton 12.12.08 at 7:02 pm UTC

How about discussion of nanotechnology enabling new devices? One may be the optical rectenna. This device uses nanoscale antennas to gather and convert light. Silicon solar cells may attain 30% efficiency at best. OR could attain up to 85% efficiency. The primary limiting factor today is the need for petahertz diodes and low cost fabrication. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy03osti/33263.pdf.
http://www.inl.gov/technicalpublications/Documents/3992778.pdf.
Discussion of large scale use of silicon carbide as opposed to diamond for buildings and large machinery would be informative.

Mentifex 12.12.08 at 7:56 pm UTC

Artificial intelligence ought to be covered here, at least in passing. Does anybody know what a signed, hard-cover, first-edition copy of Engines of Creation would be worth on e-Bay or at a rare books dealer? Would the author trade a copy for the AI4U textbook? Will the Lone Ranger reach Tonto in time?

Skeptikos 12.12.08 at 8:05 pm UTC

I’m more interested in the economic/social consequences of nanotechnology.

It would also be interesting to get your opinion of Robin Hanson’s work, if you’re familiar with it.

Alan Kellogg 12.12.08 at 8:34 pm UTC

Keep this in mind; when you can see through the eyes of a cockroach, the cockroach can see through your eyes. Something to think about.

Nathan 12.12.08 at 8:44 pm UTC

I’d like to know more about the nanotech industry and how to get involved in it. Also, updates on nanotechnology research and programs in universities because I am interested in pursuing this field.

Toby Ziegler 12.12.08 at 9:35 pm UTC

I would like to see suppositions on the values and disadvantages of using standardized nanoblocks in molecular manufacturing versus atom by atom manipulation. How likely do you feel either will come about? How likely are personal nanofactories at all? From the perspective of the average everyday citizen, how is molecular manufacturing likely to manifest?

I am not asking for a crystal ball of completely correct predictions, just your general feelings on what seems likely given the current trends.

Thank you.

crae 12.12.08 at 11:21 pm UTC

Firstly, thank you Eric for taking the time out of your busy life to post your thoughts on your blog. I appreciate it.

My own thoughts re topics: the elephant in the room. The primitive and barbaric social institutions (eg political, religious, economic…) that must be reformed, eradicated or otherwise defeated. If not, my suspicion is that advanced nanotech will become another tool used by dominant social systems to further enhance their domination over the majority.

Like him or hate him as a person, Noam Chomsky makes valid assessments re these social systems and I feel to throw nanotech into the mix at this stage of social development would be…unwise. An analogy: splitting the atom. A most magnificent scientific achievement. Unfortunately, that particular advance has been seized upon to wire the the entire planet with high explosives. Enough destructive power has been deployed to destroy all life on Earth, ironically in the name of political stability.

I realize that this topic is outside the normal scope of scientific research and thought, however my view is that it is the most important issue to be addressed.

Brandon Strulovitch 12.12.08 at 11:55 pm UTC

I think your proposed topic is great; however I would also like to hear your thoughts on using extant biological systems (e.g. single-celled eukaryotes and archae) as platforms for bootstrapping advanced atomically precise technology. I think working with well understood existing systems by reengineering organelles and adding new synthetic proteins for the synthesis of inorganic nanotechnological materials offers the best path forward as it is less “speculative”.

Boris A.Kupershmidt 12.13.08 at 12:44 am UTC

Why are the virus writers
defeating the anti-virus indusry.

unmannedanimal 12.13.08 at 2:26 am UTC

riffing off “extant biological systems”:
i’d like to know whether DNA-driven encoding of regulatory function is on the nanotech radar. re-purposed biological processes of synthesis are certainly a boon for materials and yet they amount to child’s play when one considers the depth of opportunity for tech transfer from a functional study of nature.

Inorganic Grad Student 12.13.08 at 3:46 am UTC

Hi there,

I’d like to see a few things actually.
1) Nanotech has been seen as hyped by other disciplines. What has nano actually produced on a macroscale that has improved technology and standards of living.
2) Nanoparticles are seen as a miracle cure from cancer to AIDS. However, gold nanoparticles are known to accumulate in various organs and cannot be removed. That is the case for the use of gold NPs in arthritis therapies. What would second generation NP therapies need to have in order to be more feasible in therapy type applications.
3) The fallbacks of nano
4) Why so much emphasis on buckyballs? What have they done, really?

Dr. Bobbs 12.13.08 at 4:49 am UTC

While not nanotechnology, a somewhat analagous technology that will probably be available to the average person in the near future is the so-called 3D printer.

When the average person has the ability to fabricate real objects via desktop manufacturing, this will have a tremendous impact on both the culture and the economy. Downloading the file needed to synthesize a part for a machine or being able to take one’s invention from concept to design to working prototype in a matter of a few hours in one’s den or basement will give us a foretaste of what a Nanotech Society might be like.

Phillip Huggan 12.13.08 at 7:07 am UTC

Engines? It still haven’t read Nanosystems yet; how about the PDF for 2nd place?
I’d like to see the pro and cons of doping Nitrogen and Boron into diamond structures to be MNT-ed. Still awaiting a Freitas computer sim here.
Interested in anything biosensor, more industrial manufacturing advances than molecular details. Next-next generation of bio/chem sensors will have to take apart enclosed payload shells. Any technology that can break these WMD mini-eggs cost-effectively interests me.
The UHV-enclosed shell of a Nanoassembler is relatively bulky. Be neat if synthetic biology could create a product that could withstand UHV. Even partial UHV would be nice. IDK the physics of pressures.
Same for novel UHV filters. Existing ones are metals that spin and capture molecules. Will diamond filters work? How about a Zyvex demo with real CVD diamond sheets?
I’d like to keep up to date of Chinese University advances and Asia in general.
Novel CVD equipment with novel capabilities.
I see a residence coated with conductive polymer/CNT paint as as essential decades from now as a deadbolted and home security system is now, for keeping things like dust mote cameras outside of one’s home.
For WMDs, be interesting to begin creating a database of biosensor and future chemical sensor labs, until NSA takes the ball and runs with it.
Quantum key encryption interest me (not the physics, just news bytes), as does IP theft issues.

Chris Phoenix 12.13.08 at 8:35 am UTC

Points of useful synergy between nanoscale technologies – useful from the point of view of making productive nanosystems. Can MEMS be used for templating? For fabrication (e.g. scanning probe)? For making more MEMS (e.g. programmable photomask)? Likewise, can RNA be used for templating etc? Likewise for all the other technologies?

In the abstract, there’s an N-by-N grid, where N is a list of nanoscale technologies, and check marks appear in the grid when a technology advances to the point that it enables another technology. A small cycle of check marks holds the potential for rapid improvement. (Ideal is a checkmark at (i, i).)

Is there a point where the grid starts filling in quickly? Are there “well connected” technologies that enable lots of others? (Is every technology six degrees of separation from DNA or ____?)

Of course, this picture isn’t complete, because it implies that a technology can be enabled by one other, when in fact any technology depends on dozens of others. So instead of a cycle of linear links, you need a closed-cycle web in order to achieve a rapid takeoff.

Which brings up another question: _Nanosystems_ appears to make the case that nanoscale diamondoid materials and machines could implement such a closed-cycle web. What other technologies or combinations of technologies could do that? What are the necessary inputs to the cycle, and what limitations do those imply? (Diamondoid seems to require only small-molecule feedstock, energy, and designs – and could probably build machines to produce feedstock and energy – so appears almost unlimited. DNA would require feedstock, energy, designs, laboratory glassware, and robots, so appears to be a good candidate for limited-mass applications but not for planet-scale engineering.)

Chris

BingoBango 12.13.08 at 5:29 pm UTC

One hears a lot about the fun developments going on in research labs but what about commercialization? Who are the drivers of that process and how’s it going?

rodney 12.13.08 at 5:48 pm UTC

In connection with the proposed posts on biomolecule-based composite nanosystems, I’d like to hear more about potential directions for nanotechnology combined with biomimicry. In particular, what are the prospects for using biologically-inspired means of self-assembly or biomaterials as templates for inorganic nanoscale systems?

Ruth Seeley 12.13.08 at 10:18 pm UTC

What a wonderful example of crowd sourcing the call for comments has generated here – you’ve got a year’s worth of blog post suggestions in less than 48 hours.

Your in-house marketing advisor and blogosphere trends monitor knows his/her stuff. :)

Dan 12.14.08 at 12:12 am UTC

I’d be interested in the likely sequence of development for meta-modern technologies. It seems that the order in which technologies are developed has a huge impact on their character. If pretty flexible germ-line changes to people are developed well before productive nanosystems, our world seems like it will be quite different from the reverse.

Aaron Leiby 12.14.08 at 5:36 am UTC

I’m mostly hoping this blog can be a useful source for keeping track of the advances in this field as they happen. I find it hard to get a sense of the velocity of progress we’re making. Having a place to go to that can distill that information would be great.

My particular sub-interest is where computer science intersects with nanotechnology.

I’d also love to see running commentary on mis-information in this field as it turns up in current events.

Ahmet Yükseltürk 12.14.08 at 7:00 pm UTC

I have two questions.

1) People start to think that all problems on Earth can be solved by nanotechnology. Actually, it will not. During development period of every technology, people thought like that, but in reality all problems never got solved. What do you think nanotech will not be able to do?

2) What do you think about relation between process optimization and nanotechnology?

Thanks.

Jordan 12.15.08 at 4:50 am UTC

I’ll ask somethings closer to my own research interests.

Concerning molecular simulations: how important do think advances in algorithms and numerics will be to further developing nanotech? Do you think there is room for substantial acceleration of simulations from software breakthroughs as opposed to Moore’s crutch (especially in the area of protein folding)?

Cheers

Sung won 12.15.08 at 7:31 am UTC

I’d like to see something related to the topic of nanotechnology outreach and education programs.

Are you aware of something called the iGEM? It’s international genetically engineered machine competition held every year at MIT, and the reason why so many young people around me are interested in the emerging field of synthetic biology.

Maybe we are close to seeing something similar in the field of nanotechnology as well? Some possibly opensource nano ‘brick’ parts that can be bought and fit together to form simple systems? High school students competing in nanotechnology contests?

Norman Doering 12.15.08 at 2:19 pm UTC

I’m, more or less, with Andy McKenzie on this.

I’m also interested in the potential application of nanotechnology to neuroscience. However, I’d extend that interest to medical applications overall. The idea of nanobots swimming around in our blood streams is both scary and hopeful and profound.

Aaron Leiby 12.15.08 at 7:43 pm UTC

With the recent posts about imaging, I’m always interested to hear more about how debugging fits in. If we’ve learned anything from software, it’s how valuable feedback and iteration is to working the kinks out. This should prove even more important in nanotech given its proposed applications. I’d love to see this dash of reality to balance so many of the optimistic projections we love to tout, and the progress we’re making on this front with analysis of its effect and usage.

ed 12.15.08 at 8:00 pm UTC

I would like to know your thoughts on how we should educate world leaders on the promises and threats of nanotechnology.

David 12.15.08 at 8:13 pm UTC

Thank you for creating this blog!

I am interested in learning as much as I can about nanotechnology, new findings in science, music, philosophy, and opinions about our future together in this solar system.

Mark O'Leary 12.16.08 at 2:44 am UTC

First, I commend you for creating this blog!
Getting in late on this thread, I would only add that I would like to know a bit about your experience as a pioneer of a radical new concept.
From the outside it appears you have travelled a personally tough road.

Mark 12.16.08 at 10:18 am UTC

Speaking as a science-fiction type, I’d absolutely love hearing about how you – and other authorities in various fields – have been influenced by science fiction, and possibly how often you find reason to slap your forehead when some layperson who takes science fiction too seriously and starts enquiring about ‘Grey Goo’.

Jim McCabe 12.16.08 at 3:19 pm UTC

Professor Drexler,
It is both an honor and a pleasure to add to your blog. My university education in the sixties started inauspiciously as far as “Science” was concerned. In my first Physics lab we were told, by a massive, red cloaked Russian Jesuit, that since Architects had “small or no brains at all” (apologies to AAMilne), we would learn “Physics for Architects”. It was downhill from there for Science – who would think that building designers would need to understand materials?
Fortunately I had started reading Science Fiction at a tender age which ultimately led me to Michael Gross, Steven Hawking, Ray Kurzweil and “Engines of Creation”. My brain is slightly larger now and I understand the context, if not the nuts and bolts, of these amazing comments from amazing people.
Thank you so much for sharing with us. We Architects really need “smart” materials as soon as possible!

Best regards,
Jim

Alex McLin 12.16.08 at 4:50 pm UTC

I’m curious how much of your original work in Nanosystems, you feel is now outdated or unrealistic?

One common vision many people had was of swarms of self-replicating diamond robots transforming everything in sight. Subsequent work since have shown that vision to be unlikely, along with other fantastical ideas. Do you now see nanotechnology as something more mundane or it continue to hold awe for you?

What are you thoughts on the likelihood of a functional nanofactory becoming a reality in the next 10-15 years?

I’m glad to see you blogging and posting ideas and reviews on the current state of the art in the field!

Alex McLin 12.16.08 at 4:51 pm UTC

P.S. I know I’ve already missed the deadline but I still wanted to add my comment to the thread.

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