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	<title>Comments on: Toward Advanced Nanotechnology: Nanomaterials (1)</title>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2008/12/27/toward-advanced-nanosystems-materials-1/comment-page-1/#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt9:
I agree with your red herring comment. Building automated directed assembly systems will be more difficult than wet or dry mechanochemistry.  At Zyvex we called this the &quot;systems design&quot; problem but I&#039;m not sure we made significant progress toward any solutions.  Some combination of directed assembly and self assembly will be necessary. I don&#039;t have much hope for scanning probe based techniques as a manufacturing technology. I&#039;m sure some great R&amp;D will continue to be done with these tools - but how these tools can make significant quantities of anything is a mystery to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt9:<br />
I agree with your red herring comment. Building automated directed assembly systems will be more difficult than wet or dry mechanochemistry.  At Zyvex we called this the &#8220;systems design&#8221; problem but I&#8217;m not sure we made significant progress toward any solutions.  Some combination of directed assembly and self assembly will be necessary. I don&#8217;t have much hope for scanning probe based techniques as a manufacturing technology. I&#8217;m sure some great R&amp;D will continue to be done with these tools &#8211; but how these tools can make significant quantities of anything is a mystery to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry E. Metzger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry E. Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin: I would suggest getting a four year degree in chemistry, you just aren&#039;t going to get enough out of a two year degree program unless you&#039;re doing it purely as an experiment to see if you are comfortable with school. You want a solid grounding in organic and physical chemistry -- the organic to understand what complicated reaction mechanisms look like, the p-chem to understand the underlying physics behind those reactions and molecular systems.

Although I&#039;m not sure molecular biology is a must, having a class in it is not a bad thing, if only because biology is the only worked example we have of a fully functioning nanotechnological system (though one would hope that engineered systems would be far less messy and disorganized.)

Many budding chemists skimp on learning physics -- don&#039;t do that. Physics is pretty important too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin: I would suggest getting a four year degree in chemistry, you just aren&#8217;t going to get enough out of a two year degree program unless you&#8217;re doing it purely as an experiment to see if you are comfortable with school. You want a solid grounding in organic and physical chemistry &#8212; the organic to understand what complicated reaction mechanisms look like, the p-chem to understand the underlying physics behind those reactions and molecular systems.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m not sure molecular biology is a must, having a class in it is not a bad thing, if only because biology is the only worked example we have of a fully functioning nanotechnological system (though one would hope that engineered systems would be far less messy and disorganized.)</p>
<p>Many budding chemists skimp on learning physics &#8212; don&#8217;t do that. Physics is pretty important too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanotechnology &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diamond Now or Diamond Later?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanotechnology &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diamond Now or Diamond Later?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his new blog, Metamodern, Drexler openly challenges the assumption that diamond mechanosynthesis (using mechanical means to combine carbon atoms into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor Drexler, thank you for your response. I have been inspired by you and your work in nanotechnology over the years. And this leads to a question I have: I graduated from high school but apart from that I did not pursue further education, apart from study through reading on my own time. I am seriously considering going back to school, I want to get involved in nanoengineering, but what is best for me to do? I was told I should go and start with a two year degree in chemistry. What are your thoughts, Drexler? What would be the best way for me to study something that will allow me to contribute to actual hard developments in MNT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Drexler, thank you for your response. I have been inspired by you and your work in nanotechnology over the years. And this leads to a question I have: I graduated from high school but apart from that I did not pursue further education, apart from study through reading on my own time. I am seriously considering going back to school, I want to get involved in nanoengineering, but what is best for me to do? I was told I should go and start with a two year degree in chemistry. What are your thoughts, Drexler? What would be the best way for me to study something that will allow me to contribute to actual hard developments in MNT?</p>
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		<title>By: News &#187; Diamond Now or Diamond Later?</title>
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		<dc:creator>News &#187; Diamond Now or Diamond Later?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his new blog, Metamodern, Drexler openly challenges the assumption that diamond mechanosynthesis (using mechanical means to combine carbon atoms into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Erin — Yes, I know Steve and agree that silicates could be very useful in building a range of atomically precise structures and devices. I expect that they will be. Some silicates have a special advantage for intermediate-stage developments: They can crystallize spontaneously from aqueous solutions. This property suggests that biomolecular self-assembled structures (and productive nanosystems) could shape closely related structures by guided growth processes. (Some other oxides share this advantage, however, and have better mechanical properties — this is important for some but not all uses).

@ jim moore — You asked me to elaborate on what my remark that building a tiny bit of diamond would be an impressive lab demo, but that I don’t think its likely that the methods could be extended to produce results that are very useful in a general sense. What I have in mind is the relative difficulty and rewards of competing approaches, some of which have gotten far too little attention. I’ll be saying more about this, of course.

When looking down the road, it’s important to distinguish current, intermediate and advanced technologies and capabilities. Diamond and related materials are excellent, and that using them in nanostructures will eventually be practical for even large-scale applications. My remarks are directed to current methods, extensions of them, and intermediate developments

@ Markku Jantunen — Yes, larger memories shouldn’t be regarded as merely providing more space for existing software, but as an opportunity to restructure software to shift the memory/processor trade-off. A technique that I’ve used from time to time is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;memoization&lt;/a&gt;.

@ Phil Duby — As you say, FPGAs can be implemented with highly regular structures, and this makes them candidates for relatively early development. They’re a way to make complicated circuits from simple structures while avoiding complex fabrication. In comparison to memory, there would be a greater premium on speed, and the unit cells would of course be more complex. Ensuring tolerance for fabrication defects would also be more complex, but an effective approach is to locate the defects and then customize the mapping of the logic circuits to the physical structure, as demonstrated in the &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Teramac work [pdf] at HP&lt;/a&gt;. Their machine worked despite a 10% defect rate in its programmable logic cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Erin — Yes, I know Steve and agree that silicates could be very useful in building a range of atomically precise structures and devices. I expect that they will be. Some silicates have a special advantage for intermediate-stage developments: They can crystallize spontaneously from aqueous solutions. This property suggests that biomolecular self-assembled structures (and productive nanosystems) could shape closely related structures by guided growth processes. (Some other oxides share this advantage, however, and have better mechanical properties — this is important for some but not all uses).</p>
<p>@ jim moore — You asked me to elaborate on what my remark that building a tiny bit of diamond would be an impressive lab demo, but that I don’t think its likely that the methods could be extended to produce results that are very useful in a general sense. What I have in mind is the relative difficulty and rewards of competing approaches, some of which have gotten far too little attention. I’ll be saying more about this, of course.</p>
<p>When looking down the road, it’s important to distinguish current, intermediate and advanced technologies and capabilities. Diamond and related materials are excellent, and that using them in nanostructures will eventually be practical for even large-scale applications. My remarks are directed to current methods, extensions of them, and intermediate developments</p>
<p>@ Markku Jantunen — Yes, larger memories shouldn’t be regarded as merely providing more space for existing software, but as an opportunity to restructure software to shift the memory/processor trade-off. A technique that I’ve used from time to time is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoization" rel="nofollow">memoization</a>.</p>
<p>@ Phil Duby — As you say, FPGAs can be implemented with highly regular structures, and this makes them candidates for relatively early development. They’re a way to make complicated circuits from simple structures while avoiding complex fabrication. In comparison to memory, there would be a greater premium on speed, and the unit cells would of course be more complex. Ensuring tolerance for fabrication defects would also be more complex, but an effective approach is to locate the defects and then customize the mapping of the logic circuits to the physical structure, as demonstrated in the <a href="" rel="nofollow">Teramac work [pdf] at HP</a>. Their machine worked despite a 10% defect rate in its programmable logic cells.</p>
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		<title>By: Markku Jantunen</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2008/12/27/toward-advanced-nanosystems-materials-1/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Markku Jantunen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;The 2007 International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors has a section on Emerging Research Devices [pdf], and this includes an evaluation of the practical potential of molecular memory and logic devices. The evaluation is much more positive for memory than for logic, but no specific technology is identified as a likely prospect.&lt;/cite&gt;

Space and time can be traded  in algorithmics to varying degrees. If it should be possible to use molecular manufacturing to mass-produce cheap memory circuits of stupendlously large capacity (and fast access/write speeds), wouldn&#039;t it make sense to use them to build computers (at least for special purposes) whose processors are relatively inefficient but whose memories are extraordinarily large, particularly if on chip photonic communication between components becomes commercially available?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The 2007 International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors has a section on Emerging Research Devices [pdf], and this includes an evaluation of the practical potential of molecular memory and logic devices. The evaluation is much more positive for memory than for logic, but no specific technology is identified as a likely prospect.</cite></p>
<p>Space and time can be traded  in algorithmics to varying degrees. If it should be possible to use molecular manufacturing to mass-produce cheap memory circuits of stupendlously large capacity (and fast access/write speeds), wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to use them to build computers (at least for special purposes) whose processors are relatively inefficient but whose memories are extraordinarily large, particularly if on chip photonic communication between components becomes commercially available?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all thank you for this excellent blog, Dr Drexler.
I have been absorbing information on nanotechnology for years now and I think that diamondoid and similiar materials are excellent for mechanosynthesis, but I also think other materials may be more ammendable to nearer term fabrication, such as silicates and polymers. There were some excellent papers written by this man Stephen Gillette about that topic, I am sure you&#039;re aware of them. He says that silicates can be polymerized from liquid phase and at more ambient temperatures, and are also hard and strong and can be used as a bridge to diamondoid materials. One great thing, materials like silicon and aluminum oxides dont burn because they are already oxidized, whereas even fullerenes and diamond can burn at high temperatures in oxygen.  

What about metals? In Nanosystems you said only the hardest stiffest strongest metals with the highest melting points are worth it for MNT, I tend to agree. 
 But is there room for improvement with metal alloys and nanotechnology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all thank you for this excellent blog, Dr Drexler.<br />
I have been absorbing information on nanotechnology for years now and I think that diamondoid and similiar materials are excellent for mechanosynthesis, but I also think other materials may be more ammendable to nearer term fabrication, such as silicates and polymers. There were some excellent papers written by this man Stephen Gillette about that topic, I am sure you&#8217;re aware of them. He says that silicates can be polymerized from liquid phase and at more ambient temperatures, and are also hard and strong and can be used as a bridge to diamondoid materials. One great thing, materials like silicon and aluminum oxides dont burn because they are already oxidized, whereas even fullerenes and diamond can burn at high temperatures in oxygen.  </p>
<p>What about metals? In Nanosystems you said only the hardest stiffest strongest metals with the highest melting points are worth it for MNT, I tend to agree.<br />
 But is there room for improvement with metal alloys and nanotechnology?</p>
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