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		<title>By: Out of the memory-hole: A historian speaks out on nanotechnology</title>
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		<dc:creator>Out of the memory-hole: A historian speaks out on nanotechnology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “D” label also gets applied to a raft of wild ideas about advanced nanomachines and magical nanobots. Calling this stuff “Drexlerian” loads the “D” labeled field of scientific inquiry — and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Which came first, the Nano or the NNI?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Which came first, the Nano or the NNI?</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] in the NNI research agenda can explain the perverse link between materials science and the mythology of hungry nanobots, but this headline can:    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Agile robots, dexterous robots (with videos)</title>
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		<title>By: Topblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Perspectives on Prepping on a Very Low Income, by Kuraly</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ James — The post and the comments above outline my views on these topics. Trying to play out technology scenarios many moves and years into the future can be valuable (in the right context, and with due skepticism regarding any conclusions we can draw today), but the constellation of muddled ideas around words like ‘nanobot’ has been worse than useless. 

On the particular topic you raise, the key point is that scalable atomically precise manufacturing has requirements much like those of more conventional automated manufacturing. Making products and building new production equipment requires machines, but factories don’t use machines that can build copies of themselves. This would be difficult and pointless, because specialized machines are so much simpler and more efficient. See my posts on how automated manufacturing works — without even ordinary factory-style robots, and for good reason:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/02/27/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Small Parts&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/03/01/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/03/04/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembling-larger-products/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembling larger products&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ James — The post and the comments above outline my views on these topics. Trying to play out technology scenarios many moves and years into the future can be valuable (in the right context, and with due skepticism regarding any conclusions we can draw today), but the constellation of muddled ideas around words like ‘nanobot’ has been worse than useless. </p>
<p>On the particular topic you raise, the key point is that scalable atomically precise manufacturing has requirements much like those of more conventional automated manufacturing. Making products and building new production equipment requires machines, but factories don’t use machines that can build copies of themselves. This would be difficult and pointless, because specialized machines are so much simpler and more efficient. See my posts on how automated manufacturing works — without even ordinary factory-style robots, and for good reason:</p>
<p><a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/02/27/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing/" rel="nofollow">High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Small Parts</a><br />
<a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/03/01/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembly/" rel="nofollow">High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly</a><br />
<a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/03/04/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembling-larger-products/" rel="nofollow">High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembling larger products</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve moved this discussion from another post:

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James 08.07.09 at 11:07 pm UTC
    Eric, did you see the GI Joe movie? It features ‘grey goo’ they refer to as ‘nanomites.’ Made me think of you when I was watching it. :)

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Eric Drexler 08.08.09 at 2:59 pm UTC
    @ James — This mythology is one of several reasons why I’ve never liked “nanobots”.

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James 08.08.09 at 9:53 pm UTC
    I’ve always wondered about your stance on ‘nanobots’ - you seem to be saying (correct me if I’m wrong) that productive nanosystems will resemble manufacturing plants, not self-replicating robots. This is because self-replicating robots are hard, correct? But how are you going to build an entire manufacturing plant on a macroscale of product nanosystems without some form of self-replication? And eventually, you will need ‘nanobots’ for things like human body repair, and fight off hostile nanobots in the environment, and so on. These are all things from EoC, but now it seems your stance has changed but these problems will still exist. Whether we like ‘nanobots’ or not, we are going to need DNA repair and nano-policebots, and some way to make huge numbers of macro-scale productive nanosystems. Do you think that macro-scale productive nanosystems can be mass produced without self-replication? What about hostile nano-agents, and other things we need defense from.
    I read EoC, and I believe you were correct with what you wrote then, I don’t see it as a mistake as you seem to see it now. (sorry this rambles off topic, is there a better forum for this discussion?)</description>
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<p>James 08.07.09 at 11:07 pm UTC<br />
    Eric, did you see the GI Joe movie? It features ‘grey goo’ they refer to as ‘nanomites.’ Made me think of you when I was watching it. :)</p>
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<p>Eric Drexler 08.08.09 at 2:59 pm UTC<br />
    @ James — This mythology is one of several reasons why I’ve never liked “nanobots”.</p>
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<p>James 08.08.09 at 9:53 pm UTC<br />
    I’ve always wondered about your stance on ‘nanobots’ &#8211; you seem to be saying (correct me if I’m wrong) that productive nanosystems will resemble manufacturing plants, not self-replicating robots. This is because self-replicating robots are hard, correct? But how are you going to build an entire manufacturing plant on a macroscale of product nanosystems without some form of self-replication? And eventually, you will need ‘nanobots’ for things like human body repair, and fight off hostile nanobots in the environment, and so on. These are all things from EoC, but now it seems your stance has changed but these problems will still exist. Whether we like ‘nanobots’ or not, we are going to need DNA repair and nano-policebots, and some way to make huge numbers of macro-scale productive nanosystems. Do you think that macro-scale productive nanosystems can be mass produced without self-replication? What about hostile nano-agents, and other things we need defense from.<br />
    I read EoC, and I believe you were correct with what you wrote then, I don’t see it as a mistake as you seem to see it now. (sorry this rambles off topic, is there a better forum for this discussion?)</p>
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		<title>By: High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly (with videos)</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/07/i-hate-%e2%80%9cnanobots%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly (with videos)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Myths through mythquotation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myths through mythquotation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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