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	<title>Comments on: AFM Atom Manipulation: A surprising technique</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Jensen</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A prize is a great idea.  How about you do a blog post on it?  I could see a lot of college students gunning for the prize ... if their university has the nanotech equipment so they can do so.

Also, this blog post is about to go into the archive so its readership will dramatically drop off then.  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A prize is a great idea.  How about you do a blog post on it?  I could see a lot of college students gunning for the prize &#8230; if their university has the nanotech equipment so they can do so.</p>
<p>Also, this blog post is about to go into the archive so its readership will dramatically drop off then.  :-P</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, proof-0f-concept demonstrations can be valuable even when they’re very far from being practical. For new digital logic devices, a major milestone is the ability to make a smaller or higher-frequency circuit (ring oscillators are common), and this is enough to prove quite a lot.

I was tempted to say that commercial motivations would make a prize almost irrelevant, but this might not be true. With a tip-directed fabrication technology, commercially practical microprocessor applications might remain remote even after it became possible to make devices on a highly non-commercial basis. If so, then a well-structured prize might be very effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, proof-0f-concept demonstrations can be valuable even when they’re very far from being practical. For new digital logic devices, a major milestone is the ability to make a smaller or higher-frequency circuit (ring oscillators are common), and this is enough to prove quite a lot.</p>
<p>I was tempted to say that commercial motivations would make a prize almost irrelevant, but this might not be true. With a tip-directed fabrication technology, commercially practical microprocessor applications might remain remote even after it became possible to make devices on a highly non-commercial basis. If so, then a well-structured prize might be very effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Jensen</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-788</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand it would be very slow but if it could be used to create even the simplest computer chip, that would be a proof of concept.  Much like how IBM spelled out its name using atoms.  If someone were to make the first nano-scale computer chip, it would get press and possibly spark off a competition.  Possibly a number of competition.  The most powerful nan0-scale computer chip ... shortest time to make X computer chip ... and so forth.  It might get scientists to go, &quot;Hey, if we did it this way, it would speed up the process ten fold.&quot; and so forth which might be the way innovations could help bring about the Nano Age.  What do you think, Eric?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand it would be very slow but if it could be used to create even the simplest computer chip, that would be a proof of concept.  Much like how IBM spelled out its name using atoms.  If someone were to make the first nano-scale computer chip, it would get press and possibly spark off a competition.  Possibly a number of competition.  The most powerful nan0-scale computer chip &#8230; shortest time to make X computer chip &#8230; and so forth.  It might get scientists to go, &#8220;Hey, if we did it this way, it would speed up the process ten fold.&#8221; and so forth which might be the way innovations could help bring about the Nano Age.  What do you think, Eric?</p>
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		<title>By: Atomic Layer Deposition for Atomically Precise Fabrication</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-766</link>
		<dc:creator>Atomic Layer Deposition for Atomically Precise Fabrication</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ValkYrie Ice

Re. insulating materials with conductive interfaces and other surprising properties, I find these systems very interesting and have been meaning to write about them. Part of what holds me back is that there’s so much to say.

To date, atomically precise control has been in one dimension, through atomic layer deposition. Adding lateral control on a layer-by-layer basis should lead to further surprising results, but would require a qualitatively different kind of fabrication technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ValkYrie Ice</p>
<p>Re. insulating materials with conductive interfaces and other surprising properties, I find these systems very interesting and have been meaning to write about them. Part of what holds me back is that there’s so much to say.</p>
<p>To date, atomically precise control has been in one dimension, through atomic layer deposition. Adding lateral control on a layer-by-layer basis should lead to further surprising results, but would require a qualitatively different kind of fabrication technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Scott Jensen, ValkYrie Ice --

Atomically precise manipulation has been demonstrated in several tip/surface systems, but to date none have been of practical use. Most work with materials of the wrong kind, all of them are very slow, and parallel systems with many tips — in the range that can be considered today — would still be very slow.

There has been some work with potentially useful materials, however, and devices of some kinds would have practical uses even at a high cost per unit (and therefore an astronomical cost per system of chip-scale complexity). Here, I have in mind sensors that produce unique or high-value information. Really fast gene-readers might qualify, for example.

Looking forward, productive nanosystems will eventually enable atomically precise manufacturing with &lt;em&gt;enormous&lt;/em&gt; parallelism, making the limitations I mentioned above obsolete. There’s an intermediate technology base to build first, however, so this isn’t a challenge that can be approached directly. Instead, the promise of these systems provides a motive to work on pathway-relevant technologies. A theme of my writing on this blog has been those technologies — what they are, and what’s needed to make progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Scott Jensen, ValkYrie Ice &#8211;</p>
<p>Atomically precise manipulation has been demonstrated in several tip/surface systems, but to date none have been of practical use. Most work with materials of the wrong kind, all of them are very slow, and parallel systems with many tips — in the range that can be considered today — would still be very slow.</p>
<p>There has been some work with potentially useful materials, however, and devices of some kinds would have practical uses even at a high cost per unit (and therefore an astronomical cost per system of chip-scale complexity). Here, I have in mind sensors that produce unique or high-value information. Really fast gene-readers might qualify, for example.</p>
<p>Looking forward, productive nanosystems will eventually enable atomically precise manufacturing with <em>enormous</em> parallelism, making the limitations I mentioned above obsolete. There’s an intermediate technology base to build first, however, so this isn’t a challenge that can be approached directly. Instead, the promise of these systems provides a motive to work on pathway-relevant technologies. A theme of my writing on this blog has been those technologies — what they are, and what’s needed to make progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-733</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the replacement of Mare Nostrum( It will ¨Mare Incognito¨
with 10 Petaflops for next year) accelerate the manufacture of 
atomic chip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the replacement of Mare Nostrum( It will ¨Mare Incognito¨<br />
with 10 Petaflops for next year) accelerate the manufacture of<br />
atomic chip.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Craver</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/03/14/afm-atom-manipulation-a-surprising-technique/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Craver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a method like this could be combined with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sundewtech.com/Introduction%20to%20Atomic%20Layer%20Deposition.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Single Layer Deposition &lt;/a&gt;, it seems like it&#039;d be getting awfully close to allowing building  3D structures - embedded in a solid, so the next step would be figuring out how to &quot;free&quot; the structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a method like this could be combined with <a href="http://www.sundewtech.com/Introduction%20to%20Atomic%20Layer%20Deposition.pdf" rel="nofollow">Single Layer Deposition </a>, it seems like it&#8217;d be getting awfully close to allowing building  3D structures &#8211; embedded in a solid, so the next step would be figuring out how to &#8220;free&#8221; the structure.</p>
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