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	<title>Comments on: Molecular Manufacturing: Where’s the progress?</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Witham</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2953</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Witham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric--

So we technophiles have our own ick factors to get over.

This is a little bit of a &quot;curse the darkness&quot; version of what you want to say, though.  Do you have a purely &quot;light a candle&quot; version?  A brochure or poster.  &lt;b&gt;Getting Started in MesoNanoTech!&lt;/b&gt;  What the proteins are like, what the DNA connectors are like, how the connectors are put on the proteins, how complex are the structures that can self-assemble.  How do you fish it out of the bath and get it to do something?  What equipment and supplies do you need, who sells it, what labs already have the equipment, who&#039;s actually doing it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;(from http://tinyurl.com/6h5ped )
During a break, Myhrvold announced that he had just bought a CAT scanner, on an Internet auction site.

“I put in a minimum bid of twenty-nine hundred dollars,” he said. There was much murmuring and nodding around the room. Myhrvold’s friends, like Myhrvold, seemed to be of the opinion that there is no downside to having a CAT scanner, especially if you can get it for twenty-nine hundred dollars.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not all biologists are studiers rather than builders.  I think to synthetic bio and diybio people, biology is just a prerequisite to getting your hands on stuff.  While they think they want to use cells, I&#039;ll bet some of them wouldn&#039;t mind the finished product coming straight out of the sequence-building machine.  Michelle Khine&#039;s shrinky dink microfluidic technology isn&#039;t nano but it&#039;s definitely makerly.

They said &quot;ick&quot; when I started to meso &#039;round with mesonanotech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8211;</p>
<p>So we technophiles have our own ick factors to get over.</p>
<p>This is a little bit of a &#8220;curse the darkness&#8221; version of what you want to say, though.  Do you have a purely &#8220;light a candle&#8221; version?  A brochure or poster.  <b>Getting Started in MesoNanoTech!</b>  What the proteins are like, what the DNA connectors are like, how the connectors are put on the proteins, how complex are the structures that can self-assemble.  How do you fish it out of the bath and get it to do something?  What equipment and supplies do you need, who sells it, what labs already have the equipment, who&#8217;s actually doing it?</p>
<blockquote><p>(from <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6h5ped" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6h5ped</a> )<br />
During a break, Myhrvold announced that he had just bought a CAT scanner, on an Internet auction site.</p>
<p>“I put in a minimum bid of twenty-nine hundred dollars,” he said. There was much murmuring and nodding around the room. Myhrvold’s friends, like Myhrvold, seemed to be of the opinion that there is no downside to having a CAT scanner, especially if you can get it for twenty-nine hundred dollars.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not all biologists are studiers rather than builders.  I think to synthetic bio and diybio people, biology is just a prerequisite to getting your hands on stuff.  While they think they want to use cells, I&#8217;ll bet some of them wouldn&#8217;t mind the finished product coming straight out of the sequence-building machine.  Michelle Khine&#8217;s shrinky dink microfluidic technology isn&#8217;t nano but it&#8217;s definitely makerly.</p>
<p>They said &#8220;ick&#8221; when I started to meso &#8217;round with mesonanotech.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wall Street Journal on Feynman, Drexler, History, and the Future</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2578</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wall Street Journal on Feynman, Drexler, History, and the Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the  enormous progress on the research agenda that I’ve advocated from 1981 forward (new fields of science, tens of thousands of papers), to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Molecular Manufacturing: The NRC study and its recommendations</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>Molecular Manufacturing: The NRC study and its recommendations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will not be short, and it will not be direct. It will be a multi-stage development process, and as I have discussed, the early steps differ greatly from the ultimate results in both their form and their potential [...]</description>
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		<title>By: “There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom” (Richard Feynman, Pasadena, 29 December 1959)</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>“There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom” (Richard Feynman, Pasadena, 29 December 1959)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 2 — Molecular Manufacturing: Where’s the progress? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Update to “The promise that launched &#160;&#160; the field of nanotechnology”</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Update to “The promise that launched &#160;&#160; the field of nanotechnology”</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 2 — Molecular Manufacturing: Where’s the progress? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Basement development? Big leaps?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basement development? Big leaps?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 06:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 — Molecular Manufacturing: Where’s the progress?    &#160;&#160;  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2357</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joel — The idea of “novelty search” described in your paper is certainly novel, to me, at least. The criticism you mention (that the process looks like exhaustive search) isn’t really answered by the observation that many sequences of actions collapse into  a smaller number of net behavioral outcomes. Although this may give a large speedup, process (if I understand it correctly) still looks like an exhaustive search over the collapsed behavior space.

A mixture of strategies might have advantages: Maintain a population of candidate partial solutions, and split the computational investment between using a novelty-seeking approach of the sort you describe (as a way to escape from local optima), while simultaneously using an objective-function based bias to focus more effort on looking for novelty around intermediate solutions that score better.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabu_search&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tabu search&lt;/a&gt; is an effective but quite different method that explores regions away from the best currently known solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joel — The idea of “novelty search” described in your paper is certainly novel, to me, at least. The criticism you mention (that the process looks like exhaustive search) isn’t really answered by the observation that many sequences of actions collapse into  a smaller number of net behavioral outcomes. Although this may give a large speedup, process (if I understand it correctly) still looks like an exhaustive search over the collapsed behavior space.</p>
<p>A mixture of strategies might have advantages: Maintain a population of candidate partial solutions, and split the computational investment between using a novelty-seeking approach of the sort you describe (as a way to escape from local optima), while simultaneously using an objective-function based bias to focus more effort on looking for novelty around intermediate solutions that score better.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabu_search" rel="nofollow">Tabu search</a> is an effective but quite different method that explores regions away from the best currently known solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/19/molecular-manufacturing-where%e2%80%99s-the-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Guy — My reply to your comment grew into &lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Guy — My reply to your comment grew into <a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/" rel="nofollow">this post.</a></p>
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