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		<title>By: Valkyrie Ice</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/comment-page-1/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>Valkyrie Ice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see. indeed. I do think that modular design is going to become a very common part of production, especially in an open source environment, in which high knowledge designers make basic modules and test for safety, building an ever growing database of molecular designs for the less technically knowledgeable to use in novel designs, and I can see dedicated production units for those modules mixed with a general purpose assembler to combine those components in any configuration.

It really depends on how sophisticated such projects as RepRap become. That many companies are working on electronics printing is also going to become quite a factor. Since printed electronics can be printed onto a wide set of substrates, it&#039;s going to begin spreading electronics into areas which have never previously been permeable to electronics designers.  I would not be surprised to see a form of video wallpaper in less than two years.  

Should be interesting to watch how the market develops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see. indeed. I do think that modular design is going to become a very common part of production, especially in an open source environment, in which high knowledge designers make basic modules and test for safety, building an ever growing database of molecular designs for the less technically knowledgeable to use in novel designs, and I can see dedicated production units for those modules mixed with a general purpose assembler to combine those components in any configuration.</p>
<p>It really depends on how sophisticated such projects as RepRap become. That many companies are working on electronics printing is also going to become quite a factor. Since printed electronics can be printed onto a wide set of substrates, it&#8217;s going to begin spreading electronics into areas which have never previously been permeable to electronics designers.  I would not be surprised to see a form of video wallpaper in less than two years.  </p>
<p>Should be interesting to watch how the market develops.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Valkyrie Ice — I think we’re looking in the same direction, but with different emphasis on what we see. Downstream, high-throughput specialized machines will become very small and cheap (and atomically precise), and the main advantages of high specialization then, as now, will be in producing parts that can serve as standard components across wide range of products (screws, sockets, microprocessors...). The most robust advantages of generality are in putting standard components together in new, perhaps unique ways. A natural application of unspecialized machines that make (not just assemble) components is production of potentially-unique structures at the scale of the whole system, giving it form — for example, casings and frameworks. These can often be &lt;em&gt;relatively&lt;/em&gt; low in precision, materials properties, and  structural complexity, yet play an essential role in making a new product that, internally, might be a unique combination of very high technology parts. I think that all this is compatible with what you’ve described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Valkyrie Ice — I think we’re looking in the same direction, but with different emphasis on what we see. Downstream, high-throughput specialized machines will become very small and cheap (and atomically precise), and the main advantages of high specialization then, as now, will be in producing parts that can serve as standard components across wide range of products (screws, sockets, microprocessors&#8230;). The most robust advantages of generality are in putting standard components together in new, perhaps unique ways. A natural application of unspecialized machines that make (not just assemble) components is production of potentially-unique structures at the scale of the whole system, giving it form — for example, casings and frameworks. These can often be <em>relatively</em> low in precision, materials properties, and  structural complexity, yet play an essential role in making a new product that, internally, might be a unique combination of very high technology parts. I think that all this is compatible with what you’ve described.</p>
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		<title>By: Valkyrie Ice</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/comment-page-1/#comment-2463</link>
		<dc:creator>Valkyrie Ice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 08:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with you on the speed and efficiency of dedicated machines, but I think the trend is going to be shifting away from high volume and relatively identical manufactured items to a need for smaller volumes with immensely more flexibility.

Look at Smartphones. They just released new models six months ago, then Droid a month ago, and now Google is releasing yet another new generation.  Same with Computers, with Manufactures outsourcing actual construction to companies that make items for a dozen competing brands. We are developing new models with more features in less time, and fewer sales are happening per variant while the number of choices are growing constantly.  Generation times are becoming so fast that a million units may not even have time to move off the shelf before the next better thing is out. That seems to indicate that generation times will force the production of fewer units, with a drive to minimize retooling times for assembly lines, which is likely to lead to a need for robust general manufacturing units that can switch production lines with minimal time.  

Also as printing of electronics allows moving away from the hard fiberglass circuit board to materials that can be run roll to roll, the time between designs will likely also begin changing even more drastically than it currently is.  We may soon arrive at a point where new generations might take weeks or days, demanding manufacturing capabilities which can keep up with the speed. Only general purpose, extremely versatile manufacturing systems would be able to do so.

Speed is becoming far too important to the manufacturing times to allow a continuation of single purpose devices, even though they may be far faster per step in a manufacturing process. They will simply take to long to design for a era in which the technology can change before the assembly line could be built.

The big electronics companies seem well on their way to becoming design studios, and the only way the manufacturers will be able to keep up is by embracing general manufacturing devices, and speed, over specialized, and efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with you on the speed and efficiency of dedicated machines, but I think the trend is going to be shifting away from high volume and relatively identical manufactured items to a need for smaller volumes with immensely more flexibility.</p>
<p>Look at Smartphones. They just released new models six months ago, then Droid a month ago, and now Google is releasing yet another new generation.  Same with Computers, with Manufactures outsourcing actual construction to companies that make items for a dozen competing brands. We are developing new models with more features in less time, and fewer sales are happening per variant while the number of choices are growing constantly.  Generation times are becoming so fast that a million units may not even have time to move off the shelf before the next better thing is out. That seems to indicate that generation times will force the production of fewer units, with a drive to minimize retooling times for assembly lines, which is likely to lead to a need for robust general manufacturing units that can switch production lines with minimal time.  </p>
<p>Also as printing of electronics allows moving away from the hard fiberglass circuit board to materials that can be run roll to roll, the time between designs will likely also begin changing even more drastically than it currently is.  We may soon arrive at a point where new generations might take weeks or days, demanding manufacturing capabilities which can keep up with the speed. Only general purpose, extremely versatile manufacturing systems would be able to do so.</p>
<p>Speed is becoming far too important to the manufacturing times to allow a continuation of single purpose devices, even though they may be far faster per step in a manufacturing process. They will simply take to long to design for a era in which the technology can change before the assembly line could be built.</p>
<p>The big electronics companies seem well on their way to becoming design studios, and the only way the manufacturers will be able to keep up is by embracing general manufacturing devices, and speed, over specialized, and efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Valkyrie Ice — I’d be surprised to see printing methods become dominant, simply because specialized, high-throughput manufacturing technologies are so effective. These (which are mostly about &lt;em&gt;non&lt;/em&gt;-nano manufacturing) show what I mean:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/02/27/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Small Parts (with videos)&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2009/03/01/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly (with videos)&lt;/a&gt;

An entertaining sample, with music:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Valkyrie Ice — I’d be surprised to see printing methods become dominant, simply because specialized, high-throughput manufacturing technologies are so effective. These (which are mostly about <em>non</em>-nano manufacturing) show what I mean:</p>
<p><a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/02/27/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing/" rel="nofollow">High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Small Parts (with videos)</a></p>
<p><a href="http://metamodern.com/2009/03/01/high-throughput-nanomanufacturing-assembly/" rel="nofollow">High-Throughput Nanomanufacturing: Assembly (with videos)</a></p>
<p>An entertaining sample, with music:</p>
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		<title>By: Valkyrie Ice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valkyrie Ice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: Actually with the work being done on 3d printers, electronic printing and even organ printing, I think that we are moving towards a macroscale general assembler paradigm. I think it is likely that macroscale objects will be primarily made via printing by the end of this decade, with the continuing development of nanoscale manufacturing primarily in the construction of VLSI chips, as well as increasingly sophisticated medical applications which will spur more work on the integration of biosynthesis and electronics manufacture.

By the time we can routinely use nanoscale construction techniques to create a general purpose assembler, I suspect we will already have a robust macroscale version of the desktop manufacturing plant in many peoples homes, with a thriving open source community of devices it can make.  From there it should be just a matter of a few years until those macroscale devices will be replaced by nanoscale versions, and just a few years after that before we begin seeing sophisticated nanoscale &quot;modules&quot; which can be used to design almost any product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Actually with the work being done on 3d printers, electronic printing and even organ printing, I think that we are moving towards a macroscale general assembler paradigm. I think it is likely that macroscale objects will be primarily made via printing by the end of this decade, with the continuing development of nanoscale manufacturing primarily in the construction of VLSI chips, as well as increasingly sophisticated medical applications which will spur more work on the integration of biosynthesis and electronics manufacture.</p>
<p>By the time we can routinely use nanoscale construction techniques to create a general purpose assembler, I suspect we will already have a robust macroscale version of the desktop manufacturing plant in many peoples homes, with a thriving open source community of devices it can make.  From there it should be just a matter of a few years until those macroscale devices will be replaced by nanoscale versions, and just a few years after that before we begin seeing sophisticated nanoscale &#8220;modules&#8221; which can be used to design almost any product.</p>
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		<title>By: Fight Aging!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fight Aging!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Half an Eye on the Progression of Nanotechnology...&lt;/strong&gt;

We should all keep an eye on progress towards molecular nanotechnology. It is a field that will first blossom when biotechnology is mature and in full swing, and the merging of the two will most likely lead to impressive technologies for medicine and h...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Half an Eye on the Progression of Nanotechnology&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>We should all keep an eye on progress towards molecular nanotechnology. It is a field that will first blossom when biotechnology is mature and in full swing, and the merging of the two will most likely lead to impressive technologies for medicine and h&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/comment-page-1/#comment-2340</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that no one will bother to build general-purpose manufacturing systems until it actually does become easy? I&#039;ve posted a few speculations &lt;a href=&quot;http://crnano.typepad.com/crnblog/2009/12/nanofactories-in-the-basement.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;on my blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that no one will bother to build general-purpose manufacturing systems until it actually does become easy? I&#8217;ve posted a few speculations <a href="http://crnano.typepad.com/crnblog/2009/12/nanofactories-in-the-basement.html" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2009/12/20/basement-development-big-leaps/comment-page-1/#comment-2335</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along those lines, it’s notable that some proteins are kinetically stable in dry organic solvents, and that enzymes are now used under those conditions in industrial processes. Many of the supposed limitations of biomolecules are more myth than reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along those lines, it’s notable that some proteins are kinetically stable in dry organic solvents, and that enzymes are now used under those conditions in industrial processes. Many of the supposed limitations of biomolecules are more myth than reality.</p>
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