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	<title>Comments on: Space data lost to whale-oil shortage</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-4263</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before commercial whaling in past centuries, we used to cut up and extract the oil from whales that had already died and washed ashore. Perhaps NASA should use whale oil from washed up whales!

That way no harpooning is involved. If NASA laid claim to the next whale that washes up on the shores (or develops technology to locate deceased whales at sea - which is likely cheaper than mimicking whale oil itself) the oil in that whale would probably be enough to keep them supplied for many years.

They could then claim publicly that no whales were killed to obtain the oil. The greenies are happy, NASA is happy and myself (a NASA loving scientist greenie) am very happy! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before commercial whaling in past centuries, we used to cut up and extract the oil from whales that had already died and washed ashore. Perhaps NASA should use whale oil from washed up whales!</p>
<p>That way no harpooning is involved. If NASA laid claim to the next whale that washes up on the shores (or develops technology to locate deceased whales at sea &#8211; which is likely cheaper than mimicking whale oil itself) the oil in that whale would probably be enough to keep them supplied for many years.</p>
<p>They could then claim publicly that no whales were killed to obtain the oil. The greenies are happy, NASA is happy and myself (a NASA loving scientist greenie) am very happy! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3271</link>
		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 19:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by labyrinthman: Strangest data loss / retention story: http://bit.ly/cVNKoN NASA had to overwrite master tapes in the 80s because of /whale oil/ shortage...</description>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by labyrinthman: Strangest data loss / retention story: <a href="http://bit.ly/cVNKoN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cVNKoN</a> NASA had to overwrite master tapes in the 80s because of /whale oil/ shortage&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dumpster Diving for Science - The Long Now Blog</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3225</link>
		<dc:creator>Dumpster Diving for Science - The Long Now Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rrtucci</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>rrtucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for my outburst :) It just sounds to me like &quot;the puppy ate my homework&quot; excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for my outburst :) It just sounds to me like &#8220;the puppy ate my homework&#8221; excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3193</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ rrtucci — Puppies eat meat and would have increased the demand for whale meat (somewhere, to some extent), so there is indeed reason to blame them for the lost data. To an immeasurably small extent, yes, but in principle...

Babies, too, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ rrtucci — Puppies eat meat and would have increased the demand for whale meat (somewhere, to some extent), so there is indeed reason to blame them for the lost data. To an immeasurably small extent, yes, but in principle&#8230;</p>
<p>Babies, too, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Drexler</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3192</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Thomas — I often encounter questions like these, but I disagree with the dubious assumption of a sharp threshold in fabrication capabilities. In every fabrication technology to date, progress has been incremental, not abrupt. In outline, progress on the path to advanced molecular manufacturing will surely be similar.

Programmable molecular machine systems are in use already in biotechnology. Those machines can be imitated, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://metamodern.com/2010/03/01/ribo-q1-genetic-manufacturing-expanded/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;have already been re-engineered to some extent.&lt;/a&gt; The direction of advance from here is toward more complex structures, more advanced materials, and more diverse products. I see reason to expect accelerating progress  toward products of extraordinary performance and diversity, but I see no reason to expect an identifiable “first molecular manufacturing device”, or an identifiable “first product”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Thomas — I often encounter questions like these, but I disagree with the dubious assumption of a sharp threshold in fabrication capabilities. In every fabrication technology to date, progress has been incremental, not abrupt. In outline, progress on the path to advanced molecular manufacturing will surely be similar.</p>
<p>Programmable molecular machine systems are in use already in biotechnology. Those machines can be imitated, and <a href="http://metamodern.com/2010/03/01/ribo-q1-genetic-manufacturing-expanded/" rel="nofollow">have already been re-engineered to some extent.</a> The direction of advance from here is toward more complex structures, more advanced materials, and more diverse products. I see reason to expect accelerating progress  toward products of extraordinary performance and diversity, but I see no reason to expect an identifiable “first molecular manufacturing device”, or an identifiable “first product”.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Drexler:

I think to prove (and utilized) the power molecular manufacturing, a useful product must be produced by a MM device that has certain advantages over other manufacturing methods.

I&#039;m curious...?

1) What kind of novel product do you think will be produced by the first molecular manufacturing device? 

2) Is it likely that this product (produced by very early MM devices) will be very powerful compared to what we have today ? 

3) Do you think it would be able to be commercialised short time after its development?

Thanks

Thomas

P.S. I don&#039;t quite get NASA&#039;s decision to re-use the old tapes that contained important old data, do they not care about those data....if so why did they tape it in the first place...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Drexler:</p>
<p>I think to prove (and utilized) the power molecular manufacturing, a useful product must be produced by a MM device that has certain advantages over other manufacturing methods.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious&#8230;?</p>
<p>1) What kind of novel product do you think will be produced by the first molecular manufacturing device? </p>
<p>2) Is it likely that this product (produced by very early MM devices) will be very powerful compared to what we have today ? </p>
<p>3) Do you think it would be able to be commercialised short time after its development?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
<p>P.S. I don&#8217;t quite get NASA&#8217;s decision to re-use the old tapes that contained important old data, do they not care about those data&#8230;.if so why did they tape it in the first place&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rrtucci</title>
		<link>http://metamodern.com/2010/03/26/satellite-data-lost-to-whale-oil-shortage/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>rrtucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA will blame its incompetence on anything, even on whales. (What next, babies and puppies?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA will blame its incompetence on anything, even on whales. (What next, babies and puppies?)</p>
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